Celeste Ng on Race, Empathy, & Writing

Author Celeste Ng (left) being interviewed by WBUR’s Robin Young at the WBUR Festival in Boston on May 30

Race was a major theme during the May 30th WBUR Festival interview with Celeste Ng, the author of Everything I Never Told You, Little Fires Everywhere, and Our Missing Hearts

Born in Pittsburgh to parents from Hong Kong, she recounted spending many of her school-age years in Shaker Heights, Ohio, where her school had one Jewish kid, one Black kid, and one Asian kid—her. Everyone else was White.

Little Fires Everywhere is set in Shaker Heights, Ohio, and the main family in that story is White, although it’s never stated, which raises a lot of questions for some people. Ng said that people tell her, “If you’re Asian, where are all the Asian people [in your stories]?”

For that novel, Ng said she didn’t feel comfortable writing the experience of a Black or Latino mother, but did feel comfortable writing about a poor White mother, as she’d spent lots of time around White mothers in Ohio.

“I have to understand [my characters] well enough so I can portray them fully, or fairly,” she said.

Writing ‘off the page’

To help facilitate that, she does a lot of writing “off the page.” These are character-building exercises that help writers flesh out a character’s background, behaviors, and quirks. Often these consist of authors interviewing their characters to get to know them better. While the vast, vast majority of this content never makes it into the story, it helps crystalize the character in the author’s mind.

Ng has previously said, “Writing is empathy.” And throughout the interview, you could really understand the care and consideration she brings to her writing, including blending her own experiences and feelings with characters who have different experiences than she does.

That resonated with me, as the cast of characters in my dystopian sci-fi trilogy, which is mostly set in Asia, is largely non-White. My novel wouldn’t make any sense if it was full of White characters like me, so I appreciate writers who refuse to be put in a box based on their own race.

Honestly, telling people they can only write about characters who are the same race as them seems kind of racist. That’s an overly narrow interpretation of the “Write what you know” advice. And, as Ng points out, it denies people the opportunity to be more empathetic by putting themselves in other people’s shoes. And the world sorely needs more empathy.

That said, race is a small part of my novel’s world, which is divided into two global superpowers and is much more stratified by social class. But when I do have racial elements, I try to do my homework and act from a position of curiosity.


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The mistakes my copy editor caught

Besides some verb tense errors and other errors that Word spell check should have caught, my copy editor caught:

  • A misspelled character name that was wrong in the book, but correct in my book notes
  • An incorrect title for a character, which was also correct in my book notes
  • A “right arm” that should be been “left arm,” which created a continuity problem
  • A couple of “lays” that should have been “lies”; and a “laying” that should have been a “lying”
  • A “right” that should have been “rite”
  • A “mulling” that should have been “milling”
  • A few instances of “his” that should have been “her,” and vice-versa
  • Was missing am/pm on a reference to time
  • Was unnecessarily putting commas after interrupted dialogue (i.e., “But I—,” he stammers. >> “But I—” he stammers.)
  • Sounds like click-clack and clip-clopping that weren’t italicized
  • Some internal dialogue wasn’t italicized
  • Inconsistent styling of internal dialogue quotes

My copy editor also flagged a couple of things he wasn’t sure about, which allowed me to clarify those in the text to avoid confusion.

What I didn’t change

My copy editor recommended adding spaces on either side of the many, many em-dashes in my novel, but I kept them without. I also didn’t spell out numbers that were 10 or more, or numbers that have units of measurements with them.

Those recommendations are based on The Chicago Manual of Style. As a former journalist, I guess I’ve spent too long following AP Style, which always favors more compact communication. I’m willing to roll the dice on bucking Chicago Style and see what happens down the line.

Spell Check: Microsoft Word vs. Google Docs

I’ve known for a while that Microsoft Word’s Spell & Grammar check isn’t good, especially compared to Google Docs’, which is excellent. However, some of the simple typos and grammar errors that my copy editor found really laid bare how awful Word is at understanding basic grammar. I may need to make a switch for my future novels.


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Are You a Plotter? Pantser? Plotser???

I always imagined myself a plotter. I’m a planner by nature, and manage lots of projects and an extensive calendar in my day job. However, when I started working on book 1 of my dystopian sci-fi trilogy (Project: T.A.G.), a funny thing happened: Despite having a very extensive outline, I found that some of my characters were dictating the action.

I’d get to a point where I wasn’t 100% sure what would happen next or how the next thing would happen and I’d ask myself, What would this character do? It was never the major plot points. It was the stuff in between. And the things my characters decided to do always made my story better.

It was after this had happened numerous times that I read How to Write a Mystery and Robert Lopresti’s contribution about the Rising Island method. Here’s how he describes it:

Excerpt from How to Write a Mystery by Mystery Writers of America

After I read that, I was like, that’s me. That’s how I write. I plan out all the big tentpole events, but there’s some organic pantser action happening in between.

The Third Way

Perhaps it’s time to do away with the plotter-pantser binary and add a new in-between category: the plotser.

That rolls off the tongue more nicely than rising-islander. (Sorry, Robert.) 

Where are my fellow plotsers?


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Book review: ‘How to Write a Mystery’ by Mystery Writers of America

How to Write a Mystery contains contributions from 73 authors—some of which are essays that are several pages long, while others are a single page or even a single sentence. This allows the book to cover lots of ground, addressing both general novelist issues and, of course, mystery-specific topics.

For instance, it has a great essay by Naomi Hirahara about the pros and cons of different kinds of amateur sleuths. I love a good list. And it has a one-pager by Robert Lopresti about the Rising Island method of writing a novel, which is for folks who are halfway between being a pantser and plotter.

Even if you have no interest in writing a straight-up mystery novel, you’ll find useful advice in this book. I give it 5 stars, 9 dog-ears, and one Post-it. 

Things I dog-eared and Post-it’d include:

  • Naomi Hirahara’s list of different kinds of amateur sleuths (i.e., lawyer, parent of young children, clergy, journalist, and 10 others), including their superpower, challenges, and advantages, along with examples from literature
  • Susan Vaught’s breakdown of mysteries for different age groups
  • Chris Grabenstein’s advice on having a diverse cast of characters, and the popularity of “Own Voice” stories
  • Kelley Armstrong’s tips on profanity, including making up your own in fantasy worlds
  • Robert Lopresti about the Rising Island method of writing
  • Greg Herren’s advice on accents and regionalisms (which is essentially that a little bit goes a long way)
  • Maddee James’ advice about what to include on your author website

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‘What Do You Do and What Do You Make?’: Author with One NYT Bestseller

The cover story for the March 2026 issue of New York Magazine is What Do You Do and What Do You Make? Perhaps because I have two high schoolers, I found it fascinating to see what people in different professions make. I also couldn’t help but think about how AI and other changes are shifting the prospects of various careers.

But the item that most jumped off the page for me was this spotlight on an author with one New York Times’ bestseller, who’s living partially off his savings.

I found that super discouraging—that even an author who had broken through with a NYT bestseller was struggling. That doesn’t say anything good about the publishing industry or book-reading in our society.

While my own novel-writing aspirations are modest and squarely a side-hustle that I’m serious about but not banking on, it makes me sad to know that writing novels as a career seems to be slipping out of reach for more people.

I can’t help but think of the old and rather mean-spirited adage: “Those who can’t, teach.” Increasingly, when it comes to novel-writing, a more accurate adage would be: “Even those who can, teach … and edit … and have second jobs.” I wish that weren’t the case.


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WIP update

📚 Project: T.A.G.

Dystopian new adult near-future sci-fi trilogy

Book 1 

📗 Manuscript complete!

✍️ 92,000 words, 31 chapters

▶️ With copy editor 📝

After having little success querying agents, I decided to work with a developmental editor, which was a fantastic decision. After working on revisions for 5 months, now it’s in the hands of a copy editor

Book 2

📕 Draft complete!

✍️ 100,000 words, 27 chapters

▶️ Goal: Finish revisions and start working with my developmental editor by the end of the year ✍️

I learned a ton working with my developmental editor on Book 1. I need to apply those learnings to Book 2—and reflect a few plot tweaks—before giving it to her.

Book 3

📘 Work in progress…

✍️ 45,000 words, 15 chapters

▶️ Goal to finish draft by end of 2027

I had originally hoped to finish this draft by the end of last year, but I’ve been doing so deep in revisions on Book 1 that I haven’t done any more work on Book 3. And now I want to go back to Book 2 and apply what I’ve learned, so finishing Book 3 is on the backburner for now.


📚 Project: W.A.

Utopian interstellar sci-fi trilogy

Books 1, 2, and 3

💡 Ideation, with 17,000 words of book notes

I’ve been collecting a stack of fiction and nonfiction books to read to prepare for writing this new trilogy.


📗 Project: Boston

Contemporary romance

💡 Ideation, with 10,000 words of book notes

Inspired after hearing Anne Lamott and Neal Allen talk about cowriting their latest book, Good Writing, I asked my wife to cowrite this novel with me—and she said YES!


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Support indie authors during #indieauthormonth

Indie-published books now make up a substantial portion of the book market. For instance, indie titles represented half of the top 400 books sold on Amazon during 2024. With April being Indie Author Month, there’s no better time to discover your new favorite author. And with the Alliance of Independent Authors’ newly launched Indie Author Bookstore, there’s no easier way to find your next indie read.

Visit the Indie Author Bookstore

The Indie Author Bookstore allows you to search by author and title, and explore by genre. It also spotlights new releases, as well as daily featured titles. 

Who did I discover?

I found Ruby Roe, who also writes the Better Writers Series under the name Sacha Black. As you know, I’ve been reading a ton of craft books in recent years, so I’m going to check out 8 Steps to Side Characters.


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My sci-fi novel is now in the hands of my copy editor

After nearly 6 months of revisions while working with my developmental editor, I’ve now handed my novel off to my copy editor, Jon, which I also secured via Reedsy. 

What they’re doing

The scope of work includes:

  • Identifying and correcting any spelling, grammar, factual, and formatting errors
  • Editing to ensure the consistency of the prose and the clarity of the narrative

Supplemental materials

To aid in this effort, I supplied them with:

  • A character list
  • A timeline of major events, including dates
  • A glossary of 27 terms, including neologisms and other words and phrases that have a unique meaning in my book world
  • A style guide that specifies the verb tense used throughout the novel, the fonts used, and the styling of internal dialogue, recalled dialogue, official titles, song and book titles, etc.

Scheduling

In an effort to give myself some extra motivation, and because editors schedule months in advance, I booked both my developmental editor and copy editor at the same time. I kicked off work with my developmental editor in November of last year and got my manuscript back (with editorial letter, etc.) in mid December. And I assumed that I’d be able to turn around the edits by the beginning of March. I was wrong.

I had to push the start of copy editing back a month. Thankfully, I recognized the need early enough that my copy editor was able to switch my scheduled block with another client. Even with the start date pushed back, I was rushing. I suspect there are some additional errors because of the speed of revisions. I guess we’ll see. 


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Good Writing: An Evening with Anne Lamott & Neal Allen

As a 20th wedding anniversary gift, my wife Kate got us tickets to see Anne Lamott and Neal Allen talk about Good Writing: 36 Ways to Improve Your Sentences, which they wrote together. Since Kate and I have published seven books between us, and have aspirations to write more and eventually co-author a novel, we were curious about them as a writing duo. I was also curious about their thoughts on the issues of the day, and since the audience could submit questions, I asked them and was fortunate enough to have them pick my questions.

Moments before Anne Lamott and Neal Allen took the stage to discuss Good Writing and answer audience questions

Social media & book reviews

In response to my question about how social media has changed in the publishing industry, Lamott said, “There are no more book reviews in the world. It’s all social media.”

She added that Good Writing was her 21st book and her first launched with no book reviews. “You have to create a platform.”

That’s sobering advice for every writer who hates social media and platform building.

The role of artificial intelligence

Along with many others, I asked about their views on artificial intelligence. Neither of them was interested in using it for writing, with Lamott joking, “I don’t know how to operate a toaster.” Allen said he wasn’t tempted to use AI for writing because the writing is the part he enjoys. Later, he would say, “It’s only through writing the book that I discover what I don’t know.”

That said, both Allen and Lamott were in awe of AI. It has not only read every novel, said Allen, but all literary criticism. “AI is going to be the authority.”

At times, Lamott sounded downright fatalistic about AI. A Sunday School teacher until recently, she said she asked ChatGPT to write a Palm Sunday talk “in the style of Anne Lamott” and confessed that it was “exquisite.” She concluded, “There’s no reason for me. It can write me.” That statement alarmed the audience.

“I think there will be guilds like there were in the Middle Ages,” added Lamott, who’s concerned about the impact AI will have on her son and grandson. “There will be people huddled together escaping AI.”

The purpose of writing

While that sounds dystopian, both Lamott and Allen see writing as a personal endeavor first, an interpersonal endeavor second, and a community endeavor last. Lamott said the fulfillment is in the writing, not the publishing. 

“The respect you’re looking for is only from within,” she said, “and that’s terrible news for people who just got an agent.”

In arguing that it’s about the writing, Lamott went so far as to say, “I’m not going to be remembered.” That also shocked the audience. But she backed it up by rattling off a list of great authors she loves who aren’t read anymore.

The option of self-publishing

However, it was difficult to square those views with others they expressed, particularly when I asked about self-publishing.  

“If I was younger, I’d really consider self-publishing,” said Lamott, acknowledging that getting an agent and a publisher is “so hard.”

They shared that Allen self-published a book he wrote that didn’t sel. It went on to sell 3,000 copies, which the audience applauded. Those sales figures put his book solidly among the top 10% of all published books, which is applaud-worthy indeed, even if they aren’t blockbuster sales numbers.

However, he said his agent is currently trying to sell a novel of his, and that he wouldn’t self-publish this one if it didn’t sell. In another surprising turn, he added, “I don’t think the world needs my novel.”

Given his statements about writing for the sake of self-discovery and self-fulfillment, perhaps that makes sense. But it begs the question: If publishing doesn’t matter and the world doesn’t need his novel, then why is he having his agent try to sell it?

For my part, I’m going to pretend he didn’t say that and focus on something else he said instead: “Everyone is yearning for intimacy with the world.”

That rings true to my ears. And that’s why I think self-publishing is such a game-changer. It gives everyone a chance to be heard and to affect others—however fleetingly. 


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Grammarly’s Expert Review debacle

I’ve never used Grammarly, in large part because it seemed largely a way to police wordcount progress (that’s extra stress I don’t need) and, more recently, was too close to AI (which I don’t want to be a part of my novel-writing process). The recent scandal around their Expert Review AI agent validates my feelings.

Grammarly launched Expert Review last August, with the AI agent “designed to help users discover influential perspectives and scholarship relevant to their work,” according to Shishir Mehrotra, the CEO of Superhuman, which operates Grammarly. However, in an announcement on LinkedIn this month, he said they have disabled the feature while they reimagine it “to make it more useful for users, while giving experts real control over how they want to be represented — or not represented at all.”

That last bit is a soft acknowledgment of what they’d done wrong with Expert Review. Ann Handley, the author of Everybody Writes, casts a bright light on their mistakes:

Read Ann Handley’s comment on LinkedIn

I couldn’t agree more with Ann Handley’s comment. Not to be overly dramatic, but things like Expert Review are exactly why so many creators, artists, and writers see AI as a threat—not just to their livelihoods and reputations, but to their passions. AI can be used responsibly. All technology providers—but especially those who want to be seen as allies to creatives—have to try harder.


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